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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 6:00 pm
by Dark Metal
We love Rodney's Oysters.
Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 6:02 pm
by Massive Quasars
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:Massive Quasars wrote:I mean all deterministic arguments or positions.
ahh i gotcha. yeah, some would argue that sub atomic events couldn't have an effect on the Newtonian universe but I just don't see how that's so.
One argument, yes.
Some would then counter that I don't see how it's so, because not all factors are observable and that person could further argue that even though not observable, there are forces which are determining the probablistic stuff i.e. the influence from 7 other dimensions etc.
but what reasons do they have to think that?
Another argument, and a reasonable one. They don't need to believe that the probabilistic stuff is determined on a level we can't observe. They simply need to doubt that it isn't. Remember we don't know, and we may not be able to know whether in some way unbeknownst to us all, that which seems probabilistic is determined.
Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 6:03 pm
by HM-PuFFNSTuFF
Dark Metal wrote:We love Rodney's Oysters.
lol you manwhore
edit: 'we' can fuck off
Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 6:07 pm
by HM-PuFFNSTuFF
Massive Quasars wrote:HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:Massive Quasars wrote:I mean all deterministic arguments or positions.
ahh i gotcha. yeah, some would argue that sub atomic events couldn't have an effect on the Newtonian universe but I just don't see how that's so.
One argument, yes.
Some would then counter that I don't see how it's so, because not all factors are observable and that person could further argue that even though not observable, there are forces which are determining the probablistic stuff i.e. the influence from 7 other dimensions etc.
but what reasons do they have to think that?
Another argument, and a reasonable one. They don't need to believe that the probabilistic stuff is determined on a level we can't observe. They simply need to doubt that it isn't. Remember we don't know, and we may not be able to know whether in some way unbeknownst to us all this which seems probabilistic is determined.
you can see why although I don't wholly discount that theory, I don't find it especially compelling?
Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 6:14 pm
by Massive Quasars
I just wanted to clarify a few things.
Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 6:15 pm
by HM-PuFFNSTuFF
well then please go ahead and do so
Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 6:17 pm
by Massive Quasars
wanted... and did.
Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 6:18 pm
by Transient
Ryoki wrote:Transient wrote:An uncontrollable urge denotes a mental shortcoming. By depriving them of the ability to reproduce, future generations are all the more likely to be healthy. Evolution, survival of the fittest, etc.
That's not darwinisnm, that's fascism. GG.
That's not fascism, LOL. Fascism is made up of a LOT of beliefs, not just that one.
PS: I find it funny to see the word 'darwinism' misspelled.
Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 6:20 pm
by HM-PuFFNSTuFF
Transient wrote:Ryoki wrote:Transient wrote:An uncontrollable urge denotes a mental shortcoming. By depriving them of the ability to reproduce, future generations are all the more likely to be healthy. Evolution, survival of the fittest, etc.
That's not darwinisnm, that's fascism. GG.
That's not fascism, LOL. Fascism is made up of a LOT of beliefs, not just that one.
maybe he meant to say it's fascistic
Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 6:26 pm
by Transient
Well I will agree to that much, it was a fascist remark.
Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 6:33 pm
by [xeno]Julios
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:Julios,
I don't think it is a deterministic universe. It's a probabalistic universe.
Not unlike the double slit experiments with electrons and their random unpredictable patterns, our number of choices may be finite (and even predictable), but what we ultimately choose, may be seen as a probablity, an actualization of one of the possibilities but ultimately unpredictable as to which one.
Even if there is inherent unpredictability in the unfolding of reality, I don't see how the moral gap can be bridged through it.
Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 6:34 pm
by Keep It Real
[xeno]Julios wrote:HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:Julios,
I don't think it is a deterministic universe. It's a probabalistic universe.
Not unlike the double slit experiments with electrons and their random unpredictable patterns, our number of choices may be finite (and even predictable), but what we ultimately choose, may be seen as a probablity, an actualization of one of the possibilities but ultimately unpredictable as to which one.
Even if there is inherent unpredictability in the unfolding of reality, I don't see how the moral gap can be bridged through it.
shit is too real, B
thats why i want yall to still feel me
Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 6:46 pm
by HM-PuFFNSTuFF
[xeno]Julios wrote:HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:Julios,
I don't think it is a deterministic universe. It's a probabalistic universe.
Not unlike the double slit experiments with electrons and their random unpredictable patterns, our number of choices may be finite (and even predictable), but what we ultimately choose, may be seen as a probablity, an actualization of one of the possibilities but ultimately unpredictable as to which one.
Even if there is inherent unpredictability in the unfolding of reality, I don't see how the moral gap can be bridged through it.
the moral gap?
Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 6:49 pm
by [xeno]Julios
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:the moral gap?
see my long post on page 3
Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 7:09 pm
by [xeno]Julios
btw this is the 17 year old who assaulted the girl.
maybe it's the camera angle, but it looks like he's in his fuckin 40's...
Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 7:14 pm
by [xeno]Julios
ah part of it is coz it looks like he's wearing glasses, but he's not - illusion caused by the left eyebrow and left eye of the officer who's escorting him.
here's another pic:
and an even better one:
Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 7:14 pm
by MKJ
"17 year not young"
Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 7:15 pm
by [xeno]Julios
bahaha
Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 7:15 pm
by Hannibal
Jules, I'm going to be tied up (sexually) for the next few days and won't be around here...but I certainly will give your earlier post the attention it deserves when I return.
Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 7:24 pm
by [xeno]Julios
sounds good - don't forget to breathe
Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 9:15 pm
by Tormentius
Nightshade wrote:
I hope to god you never have to ask yourself if you still believe this statement while standing over your child's hospital bed.
If that happened to my daughter, I would do everything I possibly could to make sure that whoever did it met a BAD end.
Well said. Personally, I can't stand bleeding heart pseudo-intellectuals who like to endlessly ponder leniency for someone who coldly chose to rip away a child's innocence and future. One to the back of the head...simple and effective.
Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 10:35 pm
by corncobman
He should be set fire to, then buried alive. In faeces.
Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 11:31 pm
by Guest
It's in cases like this where my brand of justice comes in very handy.
I'd get a group of my friends, go get him, tie him up bring him out to the woods and bury him. Alive.
Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 11:33 pm
by Keep It Real
Kracus wrote:It's in cases like this where my brand of justice comes in very handy.
I'd get a group of my friends, go get him, tie him up bring him out to the woods and bury him. Alive.
anger is irrational, it doesn't do any good.
Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 11:57 pm
by Guest
Keep It Real wrote:Kracus wrote:It's in cases like this where my brand of justice comes in very handy.
I'd get a group of my friends, go get him, tie him up bring him out to the woods and bury him. Alive.
anger is irrational, it doesn't do any good.
I disagree, if I killed him It would make me feel better.