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One argument, yes.HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:ahh i gotcha. yeah, some would argue that sub atomic events couldn't have an effect on the Newtonian universe but I just don't see how that's so.Massive Quasars wrote:I mean all deterministic arguments or positions.
Another argument, and a reasonable one. They don't need to believe that the probabilistic stuff is determined on a level we can't observe. They simply need to doubt that it isn't. Remember we don't know, and we may not be able to know whether in some way unbeknownst to us all, that which seems probabilistic is determined.Some would then counter that I don't see how it's so, because not all factors are observable and that person could further argue that even though not observable, there are forces which are determining the probablistic stuff i.e. the influence from 7 other dimensions etc.
but what reasons do they have to think that?
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lol you manwhoreDark Metal wrote:We love Rodney's Oysters.
edit: 'we' can fuck off
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you can see why although I don't wholly discount that theory, I don't find it especially compelling?Massive Quasars wrote:One argument, yes.HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:ahh i gotcha. yeah, some would argue that sub atomic events couldn't have an effect on the Newtonian universe but I just don't see how that's so.Massive Quasars wrote:I mean all deterministic arguments or positions.
Another argument, and a reasonable one. They don't need to believe that the probabilistic stuff is determined on a level we can't observe. They simply need to doubt that it isn't. Remember we don't know, and we may not be able to know whether in some way unbeknownst to us all this which seems probabilistic is determined.Some would then counter that I don't see how it's so, because not all factors are observable and that person could further argue that even though not observable, there are forces which are determining the probablistic stuff i.e. the influence from 7 other dimensions etc.
but what reasons do they have to think that?
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I just wanted to clarify a few things.
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wanted... and did.
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That's not fascism, LOL. Fascism is made up of a LOT of beliefs, not just that one.Ryoki wrote:That's not darwinisnm, that's fascism. GG.Transient wrote:An uncontrollable urge denotes a mental shortcoming. By depriving them of the ability to reproduce, future generations are all the more likely to be healthy. Evolution, survival of the fittest, etc.

PS: I find it funny to see the word 'darwinism' misspelled.

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maybe he meant to say it's fascisticTransient wrote:That's not fascism, LOL. Fascism is made up of a LOT of beliefs, not just that one.Ryoki wrote:That's not darwinisnm, that's fascism. GG.Transient wrote:An uncontrollable urge denotes a mental shortcoming. By depriving them of the ability to reproduce, future generations are all the more likely to be healthy. Evolution, survival of the fittest, etc.

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Even if there is inherent unpredictability in the unfolding of reality, I don't see how the moral gap can be bridged through it.HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:Julios,
I don't think it is a deterministic universe. It's a probabalistic universe.
Not unlike the double slit experiments with electrons and their random unpredictable patterns, our number of choices may be finite (and even predictable), but what we ultimately choose, may be seen as a probablity, an actualization of one of the possibilities but ultimately unpredictable as to which one.
shit is too real, B[xeno]Julios wrote:Even if there is inherent unpredictability in the unfolding of reality, I don't see how the moral gap can be bridged through it.HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:Julios,
I don't think it is a deterministic universe. It's a probabalistic universe.
Not unlike the double slit experiments with electrons and their random unpredictable patterns, our number of choices may be finite (and even predictable), but what we ultimately choose, may be seen as a probablity, an actualization of one of the possibilities but ultimately unpredictable as to which one.
thats why i want yall to still feel me
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the moral gap?[xeno]Julios wrote:Even if there is inherent unpredictability in the unfolding of reality, I don't see how the moral gap can be bridged through it.HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:Julios,
I don't think it is a deterministic universe. It's a probabalistic universe.
Not unlike the double slit experiments with electrons and their random unpredictable patterns, our number of choices may be finite (and even predictable), but what we ultimately choose, may be seen as a probablity, an actualization of one of the possibilities but ultimately unpredictable as to which one.
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Well said. Personally, I can't stand bleeding heart pseudo-intellectuals who like to endlessly ponder leniency for someone who coldly chose to rip away a child's innocence and future. One to the back of the head...simple and effective.Nightshade wrote:
I hope to god you never have to ask yourself if you still believe this statement while standing over your child's hospital bed.
If that happened to my daughter, I would do everything I possibly could to make sure that whoever did it met a BAD end.
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I disagree, if I killed him It would make me feel better.Keep It Real wrote:anger is irrational, it doesn't do any good.Kracus wrote:It's in cases like this where my brand of justice comes in very handy.
I'd get a group of my friends, go get him, tie him up bring him out to the woods and bury him. Alive.