omg..i'm gonna run out of weed for the first time in 3 years

Post by **Freakaloin** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:45 pm

3 years eh? how many plants? 1 or 2?

Post by **Duhard** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:51 pm

Freakaloin wrote:3 years eh? how many plants? 1 or 2?

no homo..we've been growing more than 1000 plants in my area..too bad our 10000+ plants got copped in St-Hyacinthe or I'd be a billionnaire by now..hmmm maybe next year..jellus?

lots of jellus moronoids in here..maybe addicted

Post by **Scourge** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:15 pm

Kracus wrote:I'm not saying there are adverse affects I'm just saying the craving to go smoke a joint IS there. It might be easy to tolerate if you need to but there is a craving which would indicate somekind of addictiveness. You guys can fucking say it doesn't exist all you want but I've experienced it and know better. So this isn't a being right or wrong this is fact I know because I've experienced it.

No, it wasn't. I know as fact that it didn't happen to me. I'm sorry you can't admit that some people don't experience dependancy like you do. Cigarettes on the other hand I've been having a harder time with because they are addictive. I understand what you're saying as I've seen people that have the cravings when they are out. But not everyone does.

Post by **losCHUNK** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:19 pm

you get dependant on the buzz i believe

the weed isnt addictive

i remember reading it somewhere anyway

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:38 pm

Yeah, if you put it that way.

Post by **[xeno]Julios** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:32 pm

Massive Quasars wrote:
seremtan wrote:
Massive Quasars wrote: epiphenomenalist? :icon30:
physicalist - exact opposite.
He's not being entirely clear. If he had said every mental event had a physical cause (in one direction only) it would be epiphenomenalism.

i prefer not to commit to a given theory of mind, which is why I talk about mental events being correlated in some way with physical events.

But even this is presupposing a distinction between mental and physical, so the way I phrased the original statement isn't really compatible with identity theories of mind, or hardcore physicalism.

I like conceiving of the mind/brain in an epiphenomenal manner (MQ you were correct in picking that out) just for the sake of theoretical utility (there is a certain accuracy about epiphenomenalism in that at least we are preserving the toplogy of physical activity) but I also think the identity theorists may be onto something.

Honestly, the mind body problem is one that I've never been able to come to terms with.

Post by **losCHUNK** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:33 pm

Kracus wrote:Yeah, if you put it that way.

also believe the article said only 10% suffered from the dependency

sure it was on ask frank

Post by **Freakaloin** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:38 pm

[xeno]Julios wrote:
Massive Quasars wrote:
seremtan wrote: physicalist - exact opposite.
He's not being entirely clear. If he had said every mental event had a physical cause (in one direction only) it would be epiphenomenalism.
i prefer not to commit to a given theory of mind, which is why I talk about mental events being correlated in some way with physical events.

But even this is presupposing a distinction between mental and physical, so the way I phrased the original statement isn't really compatible with identity theories of mind, or hardcore physicalism.

I like conceiving of the mind/brain in an epiphenomenal manner (MQ you were correct in picking that out) just for the sake of theoretical utility (there is a certain accuracy about epiphenomenalism in that at least we are preserving the toplogy of physical activity) but I also think the identity theorists may be onto something.

Honestly, the mind body problem is one that I've never been able to come to terms with.

WTF?

Post by **[xeno]Julios** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:47 pm

Freakaloin wrote:
WTF?

http://www.meaningoflife.tv

watch the dennett interview

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:51 pm

[xeno]Julios wrote: i prefer not to commit to a given theory of mind, which is why I talk about mental events being correlated in some way with physical events.

But even this is presupposing a distinction between mental and physical, so the way I phrased the original statement isn't really compatible with identity theories of mind, or hardcore physicalism.

I like conceiving of the mind/brain in an epiphenomenal manner (MQ you were correct in picking that out) just for the sake of theoretical utility (there is a certain accuracy about epiphenomenalism in that at least we are preserving the toplogy of physical activity) but I also think the identity theorists may be onto something.

Honestly, the mind body problem is one that I've never been able to come to terms with.

I too find philosophy of the mind difficult, I haven't really staked out a position from which to defend (even as I find some arguments more convincing than others in reading). Though I'm relatively confident humans don't have classical free will.

Thank you for taking the time to respond.

Post by **[xeno]Julios** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:04 pm

yea i always appreciate these discussions

btw the big problem with epiphenomenalism is that we are able to conceive and talk about consciousness. Which kinda suggests consciousness is not causally sterile since it causes us to talk about it.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:10 pm

scourge34 wrote:
Kracus wrote:I'm not saying there are adverse affects I'm just saying the craving to go smoke a joint IS there. It might be easy to tolerate if you need to but there is a craving which would indicate somekind of addictiveness. You guys can fucking say it doesn't exist all you want but I've experienced it and know better. So this isn't a being right or wrong this is fact I know because I've experienced it.
No, it wasn't. I know as fact that it didn't happen to me. I'm sorry you can't admit that some people don't experience dependancy like you do. Cigarettes on the other hand I've been having a harder time with because they are addictive. I understand what you're saying as I've seen people that have the cravings when they are out. But not everyone does.

Or any of us try to stop to post and read this forum cold turkey.
I wonder if any of you can and what would be the side effect

Post by **hate** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:17 pm

4days wrote:if you quit smoking dope after smoking heavily for a long time, it can mess your stomach up for a while. i don't know the science of it, but it can.

how so...

Post by **hate** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:18 pm

Freakaloin wrote:
[xeno]Julios wrote:
Massive Quasars wrote: He's not being entirely clear. If he had said every mental event had a physical cause (in one direction only) it would be epiphenomenalism.
i prefer not to commit to a given theory of mind, which is why I talk about mental events being correlated in some way with physical events.

But even this is presupposing a distinction between mental and physical, so the way I phrased the original statement isn't really compatible with identity theories of mind, or hardcore physicalism.

I like conceiving of the mind/brain in an epiphenomenal manner (MQ you were correct in picking that out) just for the sake of theoretical utility (there is a certain accuracy about epiphenomenalism in that at least we are preserving the toplogy of physical activity) but I also think the identity theorists may be onto something.

Honestly, the mind body problem is one that I've never been able to come to terms with.

WTF?

someone read a book..

Post by **4days** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:39 pm

hate wrote:
4days wrote:if you quit smoking dope after smoking heavily for a long time, it can mess your stomach up for a while. i don't know the science of it, but it can.

how so...

like i said, i don't know. but i quit cigarettes a while back (started having them with beer again

) and quit dope at the same time. complained to the nurse who was monitoring me for the quitting smoking thing that i'd been getting really bad gastric reflux and she said that she'd seen similar problem a lot before with people who suddenly stopped smoking lots of weed.

thinking about it though, that's just as likely to be behavioural as anything else.

Post by **Freakaloin** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:27 pm

lol...my wife is an anesthetist and she thinks the nurse who told u that is a moron...she says...any questions?...

Post by **tnf** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:42 pm

Freakaloin wrote:lol...my wife is an anesthetist and she thinks the nurse who told u that is a moron...she says...any questions?...

does she bring home good stuff from work?

Post by **hate** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:54 pm

4days wrote:
hate wrote:
4days wrote:if you quit smoking dope after smoking heavily for a long time, it can mess your stomach up for a while. i don't know the science of it, but it can.

how so...
like i said, i don't know. but i quit cigarettes a while back (started having them with beer again ) and quit dope at the same time. complained to the nurse who was monitoring me for the quitting smoking thing that i'd been getting really bad gastric reflux and she said that she'd seen similar problem a lot before with people who suddenly stopped smoking lots of weed.

thinking about it though, that's just as likely to be behavioural as anything else.

interesting...

stomach/abdominal issues are no fun

even harder to diagnose

which sucks like duhard

Post by **hate** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:55 pm

Freakaloin wrote:lol...my wife is an anesthetist and she thinks the nurse who told u that is a moron...she says...any questions?...

ever cram an intubation tube in her ass?

good stuff

use some epi first of course

Post by **Duhard** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:37 am

god I owned this thread...

Post by **SmokeyTreats** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:49 pm

Freakaloin wrote:
Ryoki wrote:Did your supplier get arrested or something?
i supply myself moron...questions?

How did you get your wife to go along with that?
I suggested growing our own to mine and she freaked out screaming shit like "we could lose the house!".

Post by **Hannibal** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:01 pm

[xeno]Julios wrote:
Honestly, the mind body problem is one that I've never been able to come to terms with.

There is a great artcle by Peter van Inwagen which links our conceptual capacities to the apparent insolubility of mind/body problem. But fuck me I can't remember the title....I'll drop it in here if I can find the relevant book.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:11 pm

The source is a book?

I found a book by Peter van Inwagen on google, it may not be the book you're referring to but I'll throw it out there anyways.

http://print.google.com/print?hl=en&id= ... TG-1h9rAaI

Post by **Freakaloin** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:14 pm

SmokeyTreats wrote:
Freakaloin wrote:
Ryoki wrote:Did your supplier get arrested or something?
i supply myself moron...questions?
How did you get your wife to go along with that?
I suggested growing our own to mine and she freaked out screaming shit like "we could lose the house!".

lose the house? where do u live...china?

Post by **SmokeyTreats** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:44 pm

Freakaloin wrote:
lose the house? where do u live...china?

No, Massachusetts. I showed her this but she is just to scared.

She is paranoid and dosen't even smoke.