President Clinton

[Ryoki]

Just because he hasn't had his tiny tiny fingers on the drone controls yet doesn't mean he wouldn't push that red button...

Here's how i see it: Hillary is a woman with a strong lust for power, but at least she tends to surround herself with semi capable people to whom she actually listens occasionally. Her style is Machiavellian Realpolitik, a continuation of the status quo, it's Obama's style too. Though yes, she would probabably be more agressive.

Trump on the other hand is a narcisist and surrounds himself with sycophants, makes uninformed emotional decisions and takes pride in being unpredictable. I'd say he's ten times more likely to do something profoundly stupid like shoot down a Chinese jet and start a war for no reason at all.

[Eraser]

I agree with Ryoki. Trump is also more likely to let his arrogance cause mjor damage to relationships with allied nations (even the European countries). Hillary will probably weasel her way through any international talks, get what she wants and make the other countries feel good about themselves in the process.

[Eraser]

I'd rather not have them take the risk

[seremtan]

well the US is unlikely to bomb the Netherlands so you get to have that opinion from a position of relative safety

[Eraser]

So?

[seremtan]

so check your privilege, clogg0

[Ryoki]

That's still speculation over objective fact. Jus' sayin'. It's belief over certainty on both sides. That's the Trump card ('arf) vs Hillary.

Yes well. Let's see if i can think of a fitting metaphore... ah, yes, here we go:

As a restaurant owner, my chef just died in a freak frying pan incident so i'm hiring. I have a sous chef, who's been working for me for ages and desperately wants the job, but never considered him because he's a raging alcoholic who i suspect stole from the register that one time. But the only other candidate that applied is a ten year old child with tiny hands, who claims to be able to cook 'huge things that are very important, believe me'. It'll be his first job, and he refused to bake an egg to demonstrate his skills, suggesting he was being treated very unfairly.

Who do i choose?

[Ferrao10]

There was a pretty good article about Trump-voters in "Die Zeit", a larger german newspaper.
According to the article the majority of those voters are not your poor, racist redneck freaks but instead the middle-class. The class that is fading away in the US. The class that actually made that state liveable and loveable.
Hillary on the other hand, according to that article, founded an outsourcing-enterprise north of NY. She is pro H-1B Visa. An instrument to get cheap workers into the US, pushing the middle-class out of their jobs while paying poor to the new labourers.
In that light I can understand the Trump-voters.
I don't know about the political direction of "Die Zeit". It was the first time I read it, on a plane.
Personnaly, I don't have an exact opinion on the topic. It's a fucked up situation.

[Ferrao10]

any true left-wing sentiment that springs up.

The wind is chimming in from both sides now, mind you. AfD in Germany, De Wilders in NL, Front Nacional in France, Austria just voted right, Brexit. Everyone is angry it seems.

Correction: In the end the austrian green canidate won. But it was a close call with a right-wing candidate, very right-wing and very close.

[Ferrao10]

Well, but in the US the middle-class is not traditional left, imo. Or is it?

[xer0s]

It's split. That's why we can't seem to get anything done...

[Ferrao10]

Unfortunately for them, the level of political debate is media slogans, walls and genitalia.

I' d second that. And pretty much in line with what has been said.

[Eraser]

so check your privilege, clogg0

Please point out where I mentioned anyone getting bombed

[seremtan]

that was last page ago

whatever point i made i'm sure it was a good one and you have no answer, so let's just leave it at that

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

[seremtan]

well that's that then

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36711711

[losCHUNK]

Motherfuckers

[YourGrandpa]

Not surprised.

[xer0s]

If they found her negligent, but they're not going to charge her, why'd they investigate in the first place?

[losCHUNK]

Insufficient evidence ?

[Κracus]

I love how they word it that she was breaking the law but didn't know, or do it on purpose so they'll let it pass.

Funny cause I'm pretty sure if I broke the law I'd still be held accountable for it, whether I knew it or not. But yeah, enjoy your shit show america, you're officially fucked.

[xer0s]

That's what I'm saying. They admit she broke the law, she should have known what she was doing, but they give her a pass. Fucking bullshit...

[losCHUNK]

If they had enough evidence when making that statement they should've banged her to rights there and then, it wouldn't be the 1st time that a member of the 'establishment' said something out of turn.

Plus rich people, lawyered up, they've gotten away with murder before.

It's how Blair is gonna get away squeaky clean.

[Ryoki]

Disappointing but not surprising.