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He shouldn't have been beat to death. Charges should be filed.  31%  [ 7 ]
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Eraser wrote:
0psys wrote:
Extreme sanctimony is no substitute for balls, son.


And this, right here is the gist of it.
In your views, someone who isn't willing to beat a man to death is automatically a no-good pansy with no balls.

I'd say it takes ten times the man to hold back and do the right thing than to continue beating until someone is well beyond the point of death.


You raise an interesting point that I discussed with someone just recently. Namely the old argument about it taking a bigger man to walk away.

It takes a bigger man to walk away if that man is prone to reactionary violence, and it takes a bigger man to react violently if that man is prone to walking away.

Essentially, any other option is simply patting yourself on the back for doing what you find easiest.

Also, you can't really go beyond the point of death. Unless you're getting cruel and unusual again and following him into the afterlife to continue the beating? In which case, big respect. That shit takes dedication. I wouldn't fuck with you, Eraser, you play for keeps.
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0psys wrote:
You raise an interesting point that I discussed with someone just recently. Namely the old argument about it taking a bigger man to walk away.

It takes a bigger man to walk away if that man is prone to reactionary violence, and it takes a bigger man to react violently if that man is prone to walking away.

Essentially, any other option is simply patting yourself on the back for doing what you find easiest.


I'm not talking about walking away. You paint everything so black and white. For some reason, you make it look like the choice is between beating a man to death and doing nothing at all. That's just not how it is.

The real issue was about the dangers of someone taking matters into his own hands. I believe that someone who thinks he is right to act as judge, jury and executioner (especially while being red hot from anger) is a danger to our society. To me it seems you and Nightshade are arguing that anyone who wouldn't act that way is in fact a no-good, spineless eunuch. Especially due to the whole polarizing nature of this discussion, it feels like you and Nightshade are saying that anyone who would do anything less than beat him to death is a no-good spineless eunuch.

Now, to be clear: I'm not surprised or even condemning the fact that someone, in anger, initially reacts violently. I can even agree that the circumstances under which it happened softens his responsibility over the eventual death of the victim (assuming it wasn't intended). The next step you take, however, which is to say that the rapist got what he deserved and that the assailant did the right thing (implying that the intention was to kill the rapist) is a bridge too far for me.

In a perfect world the man would've gone as far as was necessary to ensure the safety of the child and then call the police. Maybe it's not a perfect world, but that doesn't mean the next step is beating the other person to death. There is so much gray area in between.



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No, most definitely not, I'm not painting it black and white. My position from the beginning is that I can understand how a man could completely lose it and kill someone for messing with his kids.

I didn't say I'd do it (I probably would), I said I could understand the mindset of someone in that situation. I also said I support it (assuming the situation is how I'm choosing to read it), which I do.

It seems we agree on the core element here, which makes me wonder how I'm apparently a retard, and you're not.

It is my personal belief that if you commit the most unholy and unforgivable crime of all, that crime being the molestation of a child, then the value of your life on this planet drops to zero.

I don't, under those circumstance assign myself as judge, jury, or executioner, but I wouldn't shake my head at anyone who felt the need to take on any of those roles as a result of suffering that kind of torment.

In a perfect world, we'd be able to stop ourselves right at the point where we had incapacitated the man. My argument is that even you, Eraser, bastion of self-control, would probably lose your mind and rip the guy to absolute shreds.

It's always the ones with a no-violence policy that end up being the ones most prone to administering it once they feel justified.
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Doombrain wrote:
:rolleyes: Nice try.
I commented because i'm bored of reading your mind blowing arrogant bullshit on topics that have no clue about.
Liked you better when you used to brag about the amount of drink you rammed down your neck. Now you're just another angry nerd snorting down your nose at people for having opinions on subjects they can personally draw an emotional link on.


I mention you in passing, whilst replying to spazda and your feeble mind angers enough to rewind and recap from ten years or so back? Fucking rofl Dumberina. If hate could be eaten, we could plant your cheese-filled crusty XL arse somewhere and feed a nation :olo:
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Captain Mazda wrote:
Memphis wrote:
if there's any talentless, bitter mook


lol you have no skills or talents


No u is all you've got? Piss poor kiddo. Talentless, one might say.

Captain Mazda wrote:
you fail the most basic tenets of humanity: creating life and sustaining it.


and that from someone who lacks the basic confidence to even speak down a microphone playing a computer game. Way to be a delusional, dim midget :olo:
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0psys wrote:
No, most definitely not, I'm not painting it black and white. My position from the beginning is that I can understand how a man could completely lose it and kill someone for messing with his kids.

I didn't say I'd do it (I probably would), I said I could understand the mindset of someone in that situation. I also said I support it (assuming the situation is how I'm choosing to read it), which I do.

It seems we agree on the core element here, which makes me wonder how I'm apparently a retard, and you're not.


Well, first of all, I don't support it and I think you support it for the wrong reasons. But we agree to disagree there and that's fine. What irks me is that while you show a lot of compassion for those that choose to use excessive violence, you show nothing of the sort for those who do not agree with such a course of action, going as far as calling them "weak", having no balls or, as Nightshade puts it: a "spineless pansy".

0psys wrote:
It is my personal belief that if you commit the most unholy and unforgivable crime of all, that crime being the molestation of a child, then the value of your life on this planet drops to zero.


We've all agreed that it is not up to individuals to decide such things or act upon them. Sure, you may be angry up to the point of using excessive violence, prohibiting any form or rationality at that moment, but it still doesn't make it right IMO.

0psys wrote:
I don't, under those circumstance assign myself as judge, jury, or executioner, but I wouldn't shake my head at anyone who felt the need to take on any of those roles as a result of suffering that kind of torment.

In a perfect world, we'd be able to stop ourselves right at the point where we had incapacitated the man. My argument is that even you, Eraser, bastion of self-control, would probably lose your mind and rip the guy to absolute shreds.


I can imagine someone (maybe even myself) going over the edge in such a situation, but again it's not OK by the moral standards the western civilized world holds dear. And to be honest, I'm not sure if I'd be capable of inflicting such harm to an individual. Maybe I could, maybe not. It seems your and my backgrounds are quite different, so I think it's impossible for you to judge if I'd be doing something like that or not. I even find it hard to try to determine that for myself. But from what I gather, it seems to me that real-life violence is something you have been exposed to far more than I am. That may make it easier for you to fall upon that behavior than me. But in the end, that's all just assumptions.

0psys wrote:
It's always the ones with a no-violence policy that end up being the ones most prone to administering it once they feel justified.

Sounds like a cliché. Got any figures to back it up?



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This isn't a moral discussion. It's a discussion of who is capable of what. You have now admitted that you can imagine yourself going over the top in such a situation.

You are now one of us. Welcome to the real world, Eraser, it's a pleasure to have you.

In case you're worried, don't be. It's possible to be in our club and still maintain a rational moral outlook on life.

I don't have any figures to back it up, because it was, like you rightly point out, a cliché.
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Memphis wrote:
Doombrain wrote:
:rolleyes: Nice try.
I commented because i'm bored of reading your mind blowing arrogant bullshit on topics that have no clue about.
Liked you better when you used to brag about the amount of drink you rammed down your neck. Now you're just another angry nerd snorting down your nose at people for having opinions on subjects they can personally draw an emotional link on.


I mention you in passing, whilst replying to spazda and your feeble mind angers enough to rewind and recap from ten years or so back? Fucking rofl Dumberina. If hate could be eaten, we could plant your cheese-filled crusty XL arse somewhere and feed a nation :olo:


For the record I don't agree with the killing however I can understand how it became the outcome, I know I'd have a good go at killing one if I was in the same situation. I do believe pedos should be chemically altered, I don't believe they can be re integrated.

That said there's not enough info on that link to get the full story. For all we know he could have died from ta knock when falling and we don't know that the girl wasn't removed before the beating. You assume too much.

Also, you ok mate. Need a hug?




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0psys wrote:
You have now admitted that you can imagine yourself going over the top in such a situation.


Hey look, I already did on page 1 :rolleyes:

Oh and I missed something I guess. I thought this was about the moral implications of this whole issue, not about whether or not someone was capable of doing so, because apparently, someone is (hence the existence of this thread)



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I think others were arguing on the moral implications, but I wasn't paying too much heed to it. In fact, I'm not sure I've mentioned morals until my last post.

Could be wrong though, I may have argued it as an aside.

My only angle on this has been as someone who understand how a man could take things that far.
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lol sys0p is proud because he knows what it takes to beat a man to death.

What a fucking psycho.
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I'm assuming it takes lots of beating.
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GONNAFISTYA wrote:
RAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.


Come on, man, fun's over. Time to grow up a bit. You've been posting on this forum for over a decade; you'd think in that time you'd have grown a thicker skin. Not everything you disagree with has to be treated like it's a direct affront to your ego.
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You're under the assumption I'm actually debating the original topic...or even caring what you type.

But props to you for "having what it takes". :up:
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For someone who doesn't care, you sure do stamp your feet a lot.

Cheers for the props man, it's good to get some recognition.
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While this has been fun reading, I think I need to add something in, for no real reason other than this has been an interesting “debate” and feel that my opinion will add no real weight to either argument, but might sort of tie the 2 opposing opinions together a little…perhaps.

Basically what is being said by all parties involved is that if someone’s child was touched inappropriately by someone, the anger felt by the parent would be pretty much incontrollable. I do not have kids, but I have 2 cats, one of which someone shot with an air rifle, nearly killing her. I fully appreciate she is just a cat and not a child, but having had her since she was 8 weeks old I have grown quite emotionally attached to her. I was livid enough to have hit (probably repeatedly) whoever did it, should I have seen the person who did it. I have this emotional connection with a cat I have “raised” so I cannot even begin to imagine the sort of bond you would have with a child, someone you have brought into the world. Someone who is a part of you. The acts you would commit to ensure the safety of that child go beyond anything you can rationally think about. There are stories of mothers who literally tear doors of cars to get their kids after a car accident etc. so something primal does take over and all rational thought goes out of the window. You are willing to put yourself in circumstances you know you would never do in sound mind because you are hardwired to protect your offspring.

In short, it is entirely rational to expect and accept irrational behaviour when your children are involved with/in someone/something that could cause them physical and/or emotional distress.
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Lots of morons in this thread...as usual...
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I win, next...
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wow, this thread :smirk:

i don't have kids, but i have friends who do, and from what i've seen the connection between them and their kids is at bottom very much a primal, animal thing (i.e. beyond morality). i've no idea what that connection feels like, but i think i understand what it *is*, so i totally 'get' where someone is coming from when they say they'd carry out all manner of bloody violence to protect their kid(s) if necessary

what's wrong with pacifism as a doctrine is that it tries to moralise that which cannot be moralised (the animal thing), and having moralised it, condemn it

fuck that :down:
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in a world where people do what they want and say

sorry!

after

i think anybody pedoing should get shock collar and sent in to melted down reactor duty.

at least the guys dead now and wont be continuing!



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Memphis wrote:
and that from someone who lacks the basic confidence to even speak down a microphone playing a computer game. Way to be a delusional, dim midget :olo:


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I can't remember the rules here for posting fucked up shit, but I just happened across this video completely by chance a few seconds ago, and it perfectly sums things up.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/82560891/
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Eraser wrote:
0psys wrote:
You have now admitted that you can imagine yourself going over the top in such a situation.


Hey look, I already did on page 1 :rolleyes:

Oh and I missed something I guess. I thought this was about the moral implications of this whole issue, not about whether or not someone was capable of doing so, because apparently, someone is (hence the existence of this thread)


What sort of morals ?, you talking about your own views ?, taking or beating another mans life out of him ? in which case I completey understand, or the way social morals will break down if laws arent created/followed ?, or morals that society create ? (like its ok to rob from the rich and give to the poor despite it being illegal)

pretty messed up vid n all that, thats pretty much the scene in the film I saw that I mentioned back on page 1



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This isn't a moral discussion.


:olo:



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0psys wrote:
I can't remember the rules here for posting fucked up shit, but I just happened across this video completely by chance a few seconds ago, and it perfectly sums things up.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/82560891/


That's outright justice in motion.
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Mogul wrote:
0psys wrote:
This isn't a moral discussion.


:olo:


Understanding why something like this could happen and even thinking it was acceptable or not doesn't mean I've made a judgement on the morality behind the issue. So no, it's not a discussion of morals, it's a discussion of justification. So more ethics, actually.
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0psys wrote:
I can't remember the rules here for posting fucked up shit, but I just happened across this video completely by chance a few seconds ago, and it perfectly sums things up.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/82560891/


5 years probation. that sounds a lot like a "we're right there with you gary, but we have to give you something, even if only for the sake of appearances" type of deal
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Most definitely. It's a public-opinion sentence. 99% of people would sympathise with that guy; the other 1% can only be found on internet forums.
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The irony is, under Texas law, if he had a gun and shot the guy when he saw him molesting his daughter, there would be absolutely no charges. It's self defense of molestation. But since the guy beat him with his fists, there's a possibility of charges being pressed...
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0psys wrote:
Most definitely. It's a public-opinion sentence. 99% of people would sympathise with that guy; the other 1% can only be found on internet forums.

funny thing about the internet...you can get anything from utter trolling to the absolute truth without having the risk of being judged by retarded peers in your immediate vicinity.
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An update...

http://www.theolympian.com/2012/06/19/2 ... leged.html
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Looks like we're right. I'm glad he was beaten to death. Happy even.
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Quote:
authorities say forensic evidence [..] corroborated the father's story that his daughter was being sexually molested

Everything else in that article can be disregarded.
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not really: the part about how he was hysterical during the 911 call trying to save the life of the molester he'd just beaten the shit out of is worth highlighting also

sounds like the sheriff/grand jury called it right
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