President Trump

[MKJ]

lol this tool
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... llies.html

[Transient]

You want a tariff free.

THIS IS NOT HOW ENGLISH WORKS YOU UTTER MORON

[Doombrain]

Sorry but when did the Americans ever rule would industry?

[Κracus]

After WW2

[Doombrain]

Oh yeah. Now they can hang their heads in shame as they all look the other way while families are ripped apart at their southern border.

[Transient]

They aren't looking away, they're protesting and voting.

[MKJ]

Meanwhile, Manafort got locked up

[Transient]

And Roger Stone admitted to taking a meeting with a Russian rep. That's 11 people from Drumpf's campaign now who have admitted to speaking with the Russians.

[Scourge]

Oh yeah. Now they can hang their heads in shame as they all look the other way while families are ripped apart at their southern border.

I usually stay out of this crap, but Clinton started that shit in 97 and it's been happening ever since. It's just that now the media points it out so everyone can rage.

[Transient]

Yes, Clinton cracked down on immigration, but he didn't take kids away from their parents and set up detention camps to put kids in cages.

[Scourge]

Detention camps no, take kids away, yes. look up the Flores Consent Decree.

[Transient]

I just Google it. Did you?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/16/us/p ... olicy.html

“I hate the children being taken away,” Mr. Drumpf told reporters on Friday in front of the White House during a 45-minute impromptu question-and-answer session on a wide range of topics. “The Democrats have to change their law — that’s their law.”

In fact, there is no law that requires families to be separated at the border. There is a law against “improper entry” at the border, as well as a consent decree known as the Flores settlement that limits to 20 days the amount of time that migrant children may be held in immigration detention, which a federal judge ruled in 2016 also applies to families. A 2008 anti-trafficking statute — signed into law by a Republican president, George W. Bush — also requires that certain unaccompanied alien minors be transferred out of immigration detention in 72 hours. None of those laws or precedents mean that children must be taken away from their parents.

It is the Drumpf administration’s decision this year to prosecute all unlawful immigrants as criminals that has forced the breakup of families; the children are removed when the parents are taken into federal custody. While previous administrations have made exceptions to such prosecutions for adults traveling with their minor children, the Drumpf administration has said it will not do so.

[Scourge]

Granted it says they shouldn't be detained longer than 20 days and lists a series of acceptable guardians, which in most cases will all be detained themselves longer than 20 days. Then goes on to government agencies willing to take custody and even down to putting them in juvenile detention centers, although separated from regular inmates. Which do you think has been the most likely outcome over the last 20 years?

[Scourge]

I just Google it. Did you?

The actual document, yes. And requires? No, but more likely? It's the US government, what do you think?

[Transient]

Our immigration system has been fucked up for as long as I've been alive, but never before has a president torn disenfranchised families apart and used them as a bargaining chip to get laws passed. There's a bit of a difference.

[YourGrandpa]

I'm not sure any president has personally torn children away from illegal immigrant parents. But aren't all criminal parents separated from their children when they're arrested?

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

Arriving at a border as a refugee is not a criminal act.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

http://time.com/5315110/family-separati ... publicans/

But Republicans in the poll backed the policy by 55%, the only party, gender, education, age or racial group to support it.

[YourGrandpa]

Arriving at a border as a refugee is not a criminal act.

You mean our boarder patrol is snatching Mexican families from the Mexico side of the boarder and separating them?

That doesn't sound right...

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

reading comprehension gwamps. you need some...

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2018/06/ ... tion-claim

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

and crossing a border 'illegally' as an asylum seeker is a misdemeanor.

[YourGrandpa]

Refugee arriving at a boarder says that a person has simply "arrived" and not yet entered the US. But the last time I checked, entering any country illegally, is, well, illegal.

Since you are against innocent children being separated from their parents when they illegally enter the US. What would you do? Do we put the entire family in a cell together, where the child could get harmed by other detainees? Would you put the entire family up at a local Comfort Inn, where they could come and go as they please? Or do we just turn them around at the boarder and send them back into the desert? Certainly you have to consider the importance of legal immigration and know that almost any living situation provided here in the states is 10 time better.

Not agreeing with something really doesn't fix it.

[YourGrandpa]

Double post

[MKJ]

But the last time I checked, entering any country illegally, is, well, illegal

Not every violation of the law counts as a crime.
Just fyi