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Canada man who beheaded bus passenger granted freedom
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38945061
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He was deemed not criminally responsible (schizophrenic), was put into psychiatric treatment for several years, treated and released. I get that what he did was gruesome and tragic, but he was not of his own mind when the incident occurred. As such, he was as much a victim as the other man and has to live with the knowledge of what he has done. He is continuing to receive treatment and is no longer a danger to the public. Our courts and institutions are, after all, about rehabilitation rather than punishment.
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That's the progression of society. Nobody does anything wrong, because it's always someone else's fault.
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obsidian wrote:He was deemed not criminally responsible (schizophrenic), was put into psychiatric treatment for several years, treated and released. I get that what he did was gruesome and tragic, but he was not of his own mind when the incident occurred. As such, he was as much a victim as the other man and has to live with the knowledge of what he has done. He is continuing to receive treatment and is no longer a danger to the public. Our courts and institutions are, after all, about rehabilitation rather than punishment.
They should send him to live with you. Then you and your family can worry every day that this helpless, docile, schizophrenic takes his medication.

FFS... :tard:
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obsidian wrote:He was deemed not criminally responsible (schizophrenic), was put into psychiatric treatment for several years, treated and released. I get that what he did was gruesome and tragic, but he was not of his own mind when the incident occurred. As such, he was as much a victim as the other man and has to live with the knowledge of what he has done. He is continuing to receive treatment and is no longer a danger to the public. Our courts and institutions are, after all, about rehabilitation rather than punishment.

:puke:

so wrong and so naive
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I don't know, I think I would be sort of nervous with this guy walking the streets late at night but that's just me, you guys in Canada are braver than me. I can understand the rehabilitation part but putting him back into society, sounds a little iffy to me
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obsidian wrote: He is continuing to receive treatment and is no longer a danger to the public.
Until he stops taking his medication which isn't being monitored. Would you be ok with him being your neighbour?
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Alerted by screams from the victim, the driver stopped the bus and fled with the passengers as Mr Baker continued his attack.
at the risk of second-guessing the situation, was there nothing anyone on the bus could have done?
obsidian wrote:...he was as much a victim as the other man...
this is fucking bullshit on an epic scale
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obsidian wrote:He was deemed not criminally responsible (schizophrenic), was put into psychiatric treatment for several years, treated and released. I get that what he did was gruesome and tragic, but he was not of his own mind when the incident occurred. As such, he was as much a victim as the other man and has to live with the knowledge of what he has done. He is continuing to receive treatment and is no longer a danger to the public. Our courts and institutions are, after all, about rehabilitation rather than punishment.
Nice troll dude. Just like how he trolled the mans organs after removing the head for no reason.
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Captain Mazda wrote:
obsidian wrote: He is continuing to receive treatment and is no longer a danger to the public.
Until he stops taking his medication which isn't being monitored. Would you be ok with him being your neighbour?
He is always a danger to the public! IMO he should be in custody until he is of no danger, read NEVER!

We had a murder here where someone threw petrol over a bus driver at a bus stop then lit him up. Some might say he wasn't responsible for the attack. I say he should die the same way. Tied to a chair, dowsed in petrol then set fire >:(

Didn't hear of it I suppose where you are so read it here

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensl ... scrin.html

:arrow: You see I am upset by this and I will add I have friends that drive buses.
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Whiskey 7 wrote:We had a murder here where someone threw petrol over a bus driver at a bus stop then lit him up. Some might say he wasn't responsible for the attack. I say he should die the same way. Tied to a chair, dowsed in petrol then set fire >:(
Well then you have a very fucked up, vengeful Christian view of the world.
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none of the no-minds/gobo's/twump is hiller! will "march-in-contempt-and-must-resist"

they werent told to : :smirk:

this is a shit sandwich we eat because it makes us less.

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wat
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I did add I was upset at this senseless atrocity against a fellow man.

Don't misunderstand me, I have always been one for 'an eye for an eye'. Start cutting fingers off thieves, one at a time if you prefer and they will cease, eventually with no fingers left. Likewise with graffiti vandals; if your 'art' it good enough to place everywhere and every chance you get, we will tattoo on you forehead!

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youre fucked
it is about time!
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Captain Mazda wrote:...Christian...
"eye for an eye" = Jewish
cutting off thieves' hands = Islamic

all desert religions are retarded
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Whiskey 7 wrote:Don't misunderstand me, I have always been one for 'an eye for an eye'. Start cutting fingers off thieves, one at a time if you prefer and they will cease, eventually with no fingers left. Likewise with graffiti vandals; if your 'art' it good enough to place everywhere and every chance you get, we will tattoo on you forehead!
Whiskey 7 wrote:We had a murder here where someone threw petrol over a bus driver at a bus stop then lit him up. Some might say he wasn't responsible for the attack. I say he should die the same way. Tied to a chair, dowsed in petrol then set fire >:(
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he was a prison guard!
it is about time!
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Yeah... there's some pretty ignorant arguments here.

Just put yourselves in his shoes, you're you, you don't plan on killing anyone. Suddenly, you're not in control of what you're doing, you can't recall what you've done and you wind up with someones body parts as you're decorative stylings.

You wouldn't feel like you're responsible as you simply weren't in control, nor even conscious of having done it. Would you think its fair to be set on fire because of it?

Hell there's drugs people can give you that'll do the same thing!

What it boils down to is intent and criminal negligence. He's been through the system and instead of being held to a mob mentality he was actually diagnosed properly by a professional team and was instead properly treated. Incarcerating a mental patient doesn't benefit anyone, except maybe private prison systems that run for profit that don't give two shits about you.

I know deep down some of you just think guilty is guilty no matter the circumstances and just know that you are part of the problem with society.
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This is all good as long as he can come live with you and you become responsible for him staying on his medication.

Now if he goes off his meds and kills again, we kill you and him.

Cool?
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Doombrain wrote:wat
i get the feeling that plained was beheaded at some point but his body is still in front of a keyboard and typing. Would explain a lot. :olo:
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I like to think it's his disembodied head still behind the PC, trying to type by continually smacking his forehead into the keyboard.
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haha funny stuff eraser!

yea when i read your stuff i often mistake it for the personality of a bot! :olo:
it is about time!
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Beep boop
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YourGrandpa wrote:This is all good as long as he can come live with you and you become responsible for him staying on his medication.

Now if he goes off his meds and kills again, we kill you and him.

Cool?

Yeah that's a pretty stupid way of thinking about it but I guess it makes sense given the state of your prison system in the US...

The reality at this point is that I assume part of his release is that he has to take these drugs/treatments. I'm further making an assumption that he's been deemed not a threat to the public, else he'd still be locked up. Avoiding his treatments I'm assuming would be grounds for re-incarceration and should he commit a crime because he was off his meds would make him criminally liable. I know you have a thick skull gramps but you really need to understand that punishing people with legitimate mental health issues is just as criminal as those that commit crimes who weren't in control of themselves.

On the flipside of your "argument" what if he doesn't commit a crime? What if the treatments he's on is actually helping him and he goes on to be a productive member of society? Should he be held accountable for an act he wouldn't do in sane mind? The world isn't black and white, there's a cornucopia of colors and you can't just wash everything as one or the other when it comes to crime. Ultimately, when it comes to crime, there's an entire spectrum of issues who's sole point of blame is society and how we stigmatize and shun others. Beyond those with actual mental health issues caused by chemical imbalances there's those that are of sound mind that do heinous things because of social pressures and conditioning. I see it in every ignorant comment in this thread. Ideas and concepts that worked a long time ago because society was ok with simply punishing those for reasons they didn't understand. It genuinely makes me sad to see that there are people on this planet that refuse to let these ideas go and I think the reasons for that are entirely egoistic in nature. You associate your stance on this subject as a part of who you are and it would make you less of a person to admit you might be wrong so you buckle down on idiotic thoughts and ideas to strengthen your sense of self knowing others like you will agree and further re-enforce the idea that you're right. Hell I might be doing the exact same thing for the exact opposite reason but egoistic nonetheless. I just feel like my stance is more compassionate and will ultimately lead us as a species in a better direction.
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