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Karot!
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PostPosted: 05-23-2013 12:45 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Watched the fist half hour of this thoroughly depressing yet excellent Vice documentary this morning, thought it was rather good so i share. It's about how Western troops are now in the process of leaving Afganistan and (according to the official line) handing over control to the national army and police forces. Except noone on the ground believes that, the ANA and the police are bastions of corruption, high powered crime and pedophilia.

Just how bad is it? Pretty bad, watch this:

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/vice-news/thi ... ike-part-1



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PostPosted: 05-23-2013 01:01 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Don't worry, Karzai will "allow" the US to leave 9 bases there after the withdrawal. Just flood the county with boiling water.



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I'm the dude!
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PostPosted: 05-23-2013 07:36 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


It's all quite pathetic isn't it? Both in terms of the U.S. forces who have no idea how to build a nation and train a local security force, and the local Afghans who are stoned out of their minds and unable to stand up for anything.

Wouldn't it make more sense to start with some kind of Afghan army boot camp to teach the local soldiers discipline, command, use of weapons and tactics? At the same time you would restrict their access to heroine. I think that makes more sense than showing up once a month to say, "hey guys, here's how you fill a sand bag even though you're stoned out of your mind and here's how you shit in a hole away from your dinner."



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Truffle Shuffle
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PostPosted: 05-23-2013 07:45 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


From what I can gather that would be up to the Afghan forces and their leaders appear to be corrupt as fuck along with the fighting men. I'm about half way through and all I'm seeing is the old saying 'the fish rots from the head down'. More involvement from the US (or UK maybe) would just cause further grief with locals and more questions than answers back home. It truely is a shocking state of affairs, you can see how someone like bin laden gathered a following when their own government has so little control over what the country does, even when using the US as a crutch.

I find it a little commendable that the US have managed to maintain a pro active role in the face of all this, pushing rocks up mountains so they roll back down. That one poor sod looked as if he'd been doing it for a lifetime.



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PostPosted: 05-23-2013 08:45 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


I guess when you have to choose between people who kill women for being raped, or men who kidnap boys, rape them and kill them, the Taliban starts looking more viable.



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PostPosted: 05-23-2013 08:48 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Let the Chinese run it.




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