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PostPosted: 03-12-2017 09:06 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


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Eh, not really
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With the Dutch set up I don't think he can actually win even if he wins ?



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Time shall tell. Already, anything to do with him has been censored across the board on social media, so Streisand may lay down another round of slappage yet. Or if the Rotterdam riots got national coverage (dunno tbh). Could even depend how involved 4chan are, lol? ( '_' )

What have you been smoking?
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With the Dutch set up I don't think he can actually win even if he wins ?

A number of political parties have already said they wouldn't work together with him, so unless he gets an absolute majority (which is highly unlikely), he'd have to rely on coalitions with smaller parties on a per-issue basis, which is really hard to pull off. All that is of course assuming he will become the biggest party after these elections. If not, the biggest party (that reserves the right of being the leading party in setting up a coalition to form a cabinet) could simply exclude him from talks.

Also, even if Wilders had a majority in our House of Representatives (for lack of a better term), he still lacks support in the Senate, so his most outrageous plans will be shot down there anyway.
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Aye, I seen that pretty much all parties (apart from 1) have refused to form a government with him and that there's never been a majority party in government, so rely on coalitions ?. Which means even if he does win the vote and everyone refuses to work with him then the chance to form a government goes 2nd place, I assume.

Why can't the Dutch get an overall majority though ?, is it simply the number of parties and the diversity of the voters ?



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when was the Netherlands ever great?
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when was the Netherlands ever great?


About 40 years ago and ever since?
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She is delightful
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Why can't the Dutch get an overall majority though ?, is it simply the number of parties and the diversity of the voters ?

I think diversity is a major factor. We're spoiled for choice. There's your traditionally blue collar parties (like PvdA and SP), traditional white collar parties (like VVD), Christian oriented parties (like CDA and CU), progressive left (GL and PvdD) and of course your extreme right like PVV.

This year in particular there's large number of splinter parties that get a lot of exposure and actually are in the race for 1 or even 2 seats in the House of Representatives. It's not much and mostly doesn't give them all that much influence, but it does eat away seats from the bigger established parties).

The system does prevent the idiosyncrasies we see resulting from the American bipartisan system but it also means that decisions made are always some sort of middle-of-the-road solution to keep everyone somewhat happy. It means that if you vote, you have to realize that regardless of the outcome of the elections, the party you voted for will never be able to fully follow up on their campaign promises.
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PostPosted: 03-12-2017 05:28 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


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would lick her bean like a dog on a mosquito bite :|


No you wouldn't you smelly virgin.
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Personally i think Wilders will not win as big as is currently projected. The polls that are behind this are all based on classical models, some have under a 1000 respondents which is not a very big number, others around 3000 that are payed a small amount to give their opinion on political parties for a longer duration, say, a year. Then there's one that takes the average of all the other polls and presents that as data. Whey.

This is simply not how things work anymore, see the Brexit and US election polls that were just incredibly wrong. Polling needs to reinvent itself and use data beyond what they get their hands on now. I'm thinking social media likes and far more detailed models of people's preferences based on that, it's been done and proven to work far more effectively.

Anyways, i predict massive gains for the Green party, who have a charismatic youngster in charge and have adopted Bernie Sanders style 'meetups' that draw very large crowds indeed. He's got my vote and it would be awesome if they like, tripled in size or something :up:



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Ryoki wrote:
I'm thinking social media likes


In that case DENK will be the biggest party :)
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Yep, looks like I'm going green once again as well :up:
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Can you lay out some of their policies here for us to check out?

I always consider the Dutch to be incredibly progressive so it'll be interesting to see what's on the table.
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I always consider the Dutch to be incredibly progressive

I used to consider the dutch as progressive as well, but that progressiveness has been seriously stifled the past 10 or so years.
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Closing coal powerplants using those freed up funds to build windmills on sea, investing in green wastedisposal, higher tax for large corporations to fund privately held corporations, to name a few.

how much of these things will actually come to fruition is anyones guess because of what Eraser explained, but hey.
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I think the only thing Q3W is interested in is the fact that want to legalize production, distribution, ownership and use of softdrugs like marijuana.
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I actually went and voted GroenLinks as well by the way. Was considering PvdA for a while (their political ideas don't differ all that much) but PvdA feels a bit too stuffy and boring-old-men-in-suits compared to GL.
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i think there'll be a coalition government, with the PVV not in it :!:

#easypredictions
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Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte's party has won the most seats in parliamentary elections, first exit polls say.
His centre-right VVD Party won 31 out of 150 seats, polls suggest.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39285803
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80% turnout, nice. :up:



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wtf is up with that image anyway ?, they took a perfectly good picture then smudged it to fuck.



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Question to Dutch0s: is the centre-right still right-wing or is it a completely useless moniker like labour/democrat/christian social?
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lol pvv 2nd biggest party?
I blame the whole Turkey affair.
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Question to Dutch0s: is the centre-right still right-wing or is it a completely useless moniker like labour/democrat/christian social?

We'll have to see. The centr-right moved more to the right in their statements and the amount of focus on issues like immigration. The thing is though, that this is a result of Geert Wilders attracting voters with his discriminatory ideals. The center parties kind of felt the need to start adopting some of his style to attract those same voters.

Now that Wilders is pretty much guaranteed to be an opposition party, the undoubtful center right coalition we'll get doesn't need to be all that righwing oriented. It remains to be seen what their policies are going to be.

Still though, there is a pretty clear difference on a number of issues with the left.
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Dutch voting ballot
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Captain Mazda wrote:
Question to Dutch0s: is the centre-right still right-wing or is it a completely useless moniker like labour/democrat/christian social?

We'll have to see. The centr-right moved more to the right in their statements and the amount of focus on issues like immigration. The thing is though, that this is a result of Geert Wilders attracting voters with his discriminatory ideals. The center parties kind of felt the need to start adopting some of his style to attract those same voters.

Now that Wilders is pretty much guaranteed to be an opposition party, the undoubtful center right coalition we'll get doesn't need to be all that righwing oriented. It remains to be seen what their policies are going to be.

Still though, there is a pretty clear difference on a number of issues with the left.


Shame that they would pander to Dutch memphs, but there's still hope for Europe if they remain firmly opposed to Wilders. Just need Le Pen to also get fucked.
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Dutch voting ballot


We had 8 candidates to choose from in the last Finnish federal elections. I read the Dutch had 28 parties in these elections? That's crazy (in a good way).

Multiple choices and an educated citizenry? What is this blasphemy :paranoid:
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Dutch voting ballot


I think I see Stein and Johnson on there...
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Multiple choices and an educated citizenry?


Educated? VVD is the biggest party, PVV the second biggest :(



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the larger cities mostly voted left though. too bad thats not the bulk of the population.
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Yeah, that's pretty much always the case i think.

At least GroenLinks did very well. Just not as well as i'd hoped.



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The green bar chart here shows it's mostly those with lower education voting for PVV. Those with higher eduction mainly voted GroenLinks, D66 and VVD.

The blue one shows GroenLinks has a lot of support from young people.
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