Just got back from riding it and the ST is so nimble and literally has torque pouring out of it everywhere. You can accelerate from 20kph to 80kph in its 2nd gear if you like. Its cornering abilities are so smooth. It was actually more fun to ride than the CBR, but I guess confidence was part of that as well. The ST is both lighter and has more HP so, OK, that's a factor as well.

I'm really torn between the two now. Both are priced similarly, except that the ST has 25000 km while the CBR has less than 1000. The CBR still has 1.5 years of factory warranty while the ST only gets 6 mo of warranty from the dealer.

I know your natural instinct is to be a fuck stick. But I wasn't suggesting the CBR because I thought it was bigger than the the triumph. I was suggesting you get a bigger bike period. The CBR is also a better product. Calm down.

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Why would you suggest "a bigger bike period"? That's such a bullshit suggestion. Displacement and horsepower isn't everything, certainly not for a beginner like me. Also, why is the CBR a better product? Triumph makes high quality, premium bikes. The Street TripleR is also more feature rich than the CBR650F.

Is that a speaker on your bike gramps?

I always laugh a little when I hear some old guy driving by with his hog while blaring out ac -dc from his speakers loud enough for a city block to hear.

Wish the weather was warmer here... I'd totally hit the road all day today.

Remember gramps drives a big slow and heavy bike. Put him on a light Japanese sports bike and he'd be dead by now.

Jesus, Does a day ever pass where you don't have to defend against people calling you and your ideas out for being utterly retarded gwamps? It must be hard justifying all those shitty decisions and bigoted views against rational arguments and researched facts all day long, how do you cope?

My bike is hardly slow.

I think gwamps just suggested that a beginner gets a fireblade, double the horsepower of the 650...

Yes. They provide a little back ground noise while sitting and red lights. Headphones are illegal here. But I'm sure you wear them.

It's abundantly clear Gwamps has no idea about the differences in character between various bikes. No idea how a typical two cylinder differs from a four cylinder and where that puts a triple. No idea about seating posture and how that affects your ride. The influence of various fairings or lack thereof. Gear ratios, brake types, suspension settings and all those other variables that influence the character of a bike. Nope, gwamps just goes "gimme the biggest one".

I so imagine Gramps coasting along the roads with Ride of the Valkyries blasting out of his speakers

I actually don't! I prefer the sound of engine. Not that mine is loud... Still though, I ride without them.

Oh, I get it now. You're an expert on motorcycles, but not actually "on" motorcycles...

Well Valentino Rossi, while you're busy reading about drag coefficient as it relates to various fairing dimensions or contemplating the relationship between torque and horsepower, I'll be riding. In the interim here's something practical to consider. They don't make "super sport" bikes for professional. They're made for riding enthusiasts who want to get as much as they can out of their experience. Now you either don't see yourself becoming a riding enthusiast, are too chicken shit or don't have the cash for a "super sport" motorcycle. My guess is all three. But don't try to create some fictional scenario where my lack of understanding is the reason you're buying a smaller bike. Own up to who you are and deal.

At least I understand that a Fireblade or YZF-R1 or GSX-R 1000 is aimed at a different type of rider who seeks a different type of experience than someone who would buy a CBR650F or Ninja 650.

Gramps crushes that red font guy so thoroughly each and everytime, it's just plain tedious and cringe worthy reading red font's sad attempts to respond...

Somebody just ban that moron so we can all relax... Thx...

I also understand that those bikes have different price points for people who have varied levels of personal commitment to motorcycling.